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The Fight For Hearts and Souls

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The following is a précis of a conversation I had in one of my rare visits to the pub this afternoon. It is, perhaps a summing up of the attitude of too many selfish people; too many selfish people who are week or a month’s wage away from destitution. A week or moth’s wage from the circumstance they currently demonise.

The benefits bill is too high, we need to reduce it.

While the reduction of the benefits bill is a desirable aim, how we do this is debatable; the greater part of the benefits bill, over 50% is pensions. Similarly to me, I am sure you do not advocate the slashing of pensions to reduce the benefits bill.

The only way to reduce the benefits bill is to cut benefits.

Cut benefits how? Reducing benefits effectively would mean slashing pensions, which we do not want to do. We’ll all (hopefully) be pensioners someday.

We can no longer afford a welfare state.

Many benefits are in work benefits that actually subsidise the employer. So, a fair days pay for a fair days work would be a good first step to reducing the benefits bill. Then making sure there is well paid work for people would be a great help.

There are too many scroungers.

By the governments own figures, benefit fraud accounts for only 0.7% 0f the benefits bill. Chasing tax dodgers- call them evaders or avoiders, it amounts to the same thing in my book would be a more effective way to improve governments finances.

The Bedroom Tax is fair; why should we (I) pay for one person to live in a three bedroomed house.

Why indeed? Unless you are paying taxes for an MP to live on a country estate in a multi-bedroomed manor house, complete with moat and duck house and a luxury flat in London. Or even a footballer to rattle around a similar dwelling while claiming a council tax reduction, despite his huge salary.

Ultimately, you need to decide which kind of society we live in; an altruistic, dependant society where we do, whether through individual endeavour or communal taxation ensure the needy need no more; or a selfish, uncaring society where your ephemeral wealth is your only asset.

By no means a verbatim record of the conversation; it is, however, the general timbre of this and many more conversations I have had.

The fight for hearts and souls is far from won. It has barely begun.


Written by Smiling Carcass

14/12/2013 at 8:14 PM

Posted in Welfare

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  1. Painfully true!


    14/12/2013 at 10:28 PM

  2. […] The Fight For Hearts and Souls. […]

  3. Reblogged this on Vox Political.

    Mike Sivier

    18/12/2013 at 2:42 PM

  4. These are the very points Labour should be making, over and over again, instead of trying to be more Tory than the Tories. Unless they rebut the DWP propaganda, over and over again, the Tories will be back in next time on a tide of Xenophobia and benefit bashing

    Steve Rudd

    18/12/2013 at 3:11 PM

  5. Typical Tory tactics of ‘Divide and Rule’;created an underclass, ‘the Other’ and use propaganda to make people glad that they are ‘Us’ not ‘The Other’, not realising that the Tories regard THEM as ‘the Other’, to be manipulated at will.
    My experience of unemployment shook me out of my complacency that ‘it won’t happen to me”.I was a degree-educated Civil Servant..All it took was a Manager with his own agenda, with a willing accomplice, setting me up to fail and more than 26 years service went down the drain.
    Overnight, I went from being a ‘Pillar of the Community’ to ‘The Lowest of The Low’.
    With Employment rights being eroded to Victorian levels, it CAN and WILL happen to increasing numbers

    Colin M. Taylor

    18/12/2013 at 10:33 PM

    • Colin, I predicted this way back in 1979 when Thatcher was elected, that we would, I said be taken back to the 1930s and beyond.

      The problem is, when most people put their ‘X’ on the ballot paper, they do not do so considering (if there was even a choice!) will this party, in government help the poor, low paid and disenfranchised; most voters consider ‘what’s in it for me?’ and Thatcher convinced us all- well most of us- a vote for her was a vote for yourself.

      Now we reap the whirlwind.

      It is one of the reasons I am not a great believer in western democracy. The electorate, left to themselves is selfish and fickle; left to the tender mercies of politicians, they are imprudent and impressionable.

      I don’t advocate the people should not have their say; I just do not believe, as is often said it’s not perfect but it’s the best.

      Smiling Carcass

      19/12/2013 at 9:05 AM

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